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	Comments on: Doctor burnout begins younger than we think – by Dr Maxine Szramka	</title>
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		By: Anne Hart		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne Hart]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Absolutely nailed it Maxine. Our Health System needs to change from the inside out, caring for the people who are to do the caring. It is very inspiring to meet a person in the medical system who is vibrantly healthy - I am much more likely to take on board lifestyle advice from someone in great health. It comes back to the precept on which medicine is based &#039;Healer, heal thyself&#039;. Your first hand insight into the experience of a doctor moving through the training ranks is nothing short of horrifying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely nailed it Maxine. Our Health System needs to change from the inside out, caring for the people who are to do the caring. It is very inspiring to meet a person in the medical system who is vibrantly healthy &#8211; I am much more likely to take on board lifestyle advice from someone in great health. It comes back to the precept on which medicine is based &#8216;Healer, heal thyself&#8217;. Your first hand insight into the experience of a doctor moving through the training ranks is nothing short of horrifying.</p>
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		By: Alex Braun		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex Braun]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2015 07:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Corruption runs deep, beginning already in school where achievement counts more than being who we are before learning and doing whatever we do. And so it continues into work life. That even the health professions whose utter point is to support and heal people are engulfed by the highest levels of disregard and self-sacrifice due to a dehumanized system is just the peak of absurdity and tells much if not everything about how much we corrupt ourselves, that is our true, healthy and harmonious nature and continue to do so from generation to generation. The medical system is not just close to collapse because of the heaps of patients due to rising states of illness and disease but also because it is rotten from the inside - the blind leading the blind, the sick healing the sick? Time to appreciate everyone equally in their innate humanness and humaneness, to foster a generation of doctors and allied health professionals that gives testimony of living a healthy and fulfilled life is possible, to be role models that give inspiration to patients of how to lovingly taking care of themselves and who can offer a level of healing far beyond subscribing pills, giving injections and perform surgery - healing to body and being.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corruption runs deep, beginning already in school where achievement counts more than being who we are before learning and doing whatever we do. And so it continues into work life. That even the health professions whose utter point is to support and heal people are engulfed by the highest levels of disregard and self-sacrifice due to a dehumanized system is just the peak of absurdity and tells much if not everything about how much we corrupt ourselves, that is our true, healthy and harmonious nature and continue to do so from generation to generation. The medical system is not just close to collapse because of the heaps of patients due to rising states of illness and disease but also because it is rotten from the inside &#8211; the blind leading the blind, the sick healing the sick? Time to appreciate everyone equally in their innate humanness and humaneness, to foster a generation of doctors and allied health professionals that gives testimony of living a healthy and fulfilled life is possible, to be role models that give inspiration to patients of how to lovingly taking care of themselves and who can offer a level of healing far beyond subscribing pills, giving injections and perform surgery &#8211; healing to body and being.</p>
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		By: vanessa mchardy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vanessa mchardy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2015 06:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow Maxine that is intense to read let alone what it would be like to live like this! Crazy that a profession that could be about health and healing is about stress and hostility on so many levels. It is great that you have shared so openly what it is like for doctors and call for a change as this really cannot continue - soon the doctors will be so sick that no-one will be able to do the job of healing - I jest -  but surely we need to look seriously at how we are training and accepting a level of abuse as normal in a profession that at it&#039;s foundation needs to be about caring for people.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Maxine that is intense to read let alone what it would be like to live like this! Crazy that a profession that could be about health and healing is about stress and hostility on so many levels. It is great that you have shared so openly what it is like for doctors and call for a change as this really cannot continue &#8211; soon the doctors will be so sick that no-one will be able to do the job of healing &#8211; I jest &#8211;  but surely we need to look seriously at how we are training and accepting a level of abuse as normal in a profession that at it&#8217;s foundation needs to be about caring for people.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Pommerel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Pommerel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maxine, I love how you articulate from your experience what it is that I and so many other young student doctors are facing.  Almost all of the conversations I have with my colleagues and the teaching staff centres around how we integrate the &quot;fire hose at full blast&quot; of information that we are presented, every single day.  How we look after ourselves whilst we do this.  What we are eating.  How we are sleeping.  Whether we are exercising.  

It is awful to see that even after the first six months, there have been casualties.  Not to present to an Emergency Department, but those for whom the anxiety of trying to cover such a vast range of information to reproduce in exams has been too much.  It is unbelievable that we are taught less about the skills of being confident in ourselves, being with others, and even in some of the techniques we learn, and more about the scientific knowledge that later will inform our practice.  Of course this is undeniably important but equally so to learn how to truly support oneself through such an arduous, demanding career path.  Our current focus - each medical student I meet - is not people, but exams.   Ultimately we don&#039;t practice medical exams.  They may be the necessary hoops to jump through, but we eventually will be practicing medicine &#039;on&#039; people.  It is people who will come to us with their health complaints and ask us to offer them all that we know and more in order to help them.  If medical students are not taught now to be with people, to be naturally confident, open, compassionate and truly, deeply caring, then the culture you have describe above has little chance of changing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maxine, I love how you articulate from your experience what it is that I and so many other young student doctors are facing.  Almost all of the conversations I have with my colleagues and the teaching staff centres around how we integrate the &#8220;fire hose at full blast&#8221; of information that we are presented, every single day.  How we look after ourselves whilst we do this.  What we are eating.  How we are sleeping.  Whether we are exercising.  </p>
<p>It is awful to see that even after the first six months, there have been casualties.  Not to present to an Emergency Department, but those for whom the anxiety of trying to cover such a vast range of information to reproduce in exams has been too much.  It is unbelievable that we are taught less about the skills of being confident in ourselves, being with others, and even in some of the techniques we learn, and more about the scientific knowledge that later will inform our practice.  Of course this is undeniably important but equally so to learn how to truly support oneself through such an arduous, demanding career path.  Our current focus &#8211; each medical student I meet &#8211; is not people, but exams.   Ultimately we don&#8217;t practice medical exams.  They may be the necessary hoops to jump through, but we eventually will be practicing medicine &#8216;on&#8217; people.  It is people who will come to us with their health complaints and ask us to offer them all that we know and more in order to help them.  If medical students are not taught now to be with people, to be naturally confident, open, compassionate and truly, deeply caring, then the culture you have describe above has little chance of changing.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Pommerel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Pommerel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.myhealthcareer.com.au/medicine/doctor-burnout-begins-younger-than-we-think-by-dr-maxine-szramka/#comment-300&quot;&gt;Gill Randall&lt;/a&gt;.

Here here Gill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.myhealthcareer.com.au/medicine/doctor-burnout-begins-younger-than-we-think-by-dr-maxine-szramka/#comment-300">Gill Randall</a>.</p>
<p>Here here Gill.</p>
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		By: Stephanie Pommerel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephanie Pommerel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.myhealthcareer.com.au/medicine/doctor-burnout-begins-younger-than-we-think-by-dr-maxine-szramka/#comment-302&quot;&gt;Gayle Cue&lt;/a&gt;.

That is so true Kevin, Gayle.  I have just started my first year of medical training this year and was astounded at the approach - right from Day 1.  It was very unfortunate to have sponsors there before the official proceeding began, offering students free bags, drink-bottles, etc etc just to sign up with them.  Funnily enough, these sponsors by and large were medical indemnity insurance companies, which is so very ironic.

But to the matter at hand, I would love to introduce this to my colleagues.  I find it very interesting that much of ethical conduct is brushed over, yet forms the fundamental basis of how it is we will be not only with each other, but our patients and all else otherwise.  I am interesting in developing much to offer colleagues in medical school - from assessing their current state of overwhelm, to learning to connect with how they are feeling through the process of each day - be it as we learn the sciences and examination techniques, or beyond into the clinical years of hospital rotations and eventual practice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.myhealthcareer.com.au/medicine/doctor-burnout-begins-younger-than-we-think-by-dr-maxine-szramka/#comment-302">Gayle Cue</a>.</p>
<p>That is so true Kevin, Gayle.  I have just started my first year of medical training this year and was astounded at the approach &#8211; right from Day 1.  It was very unfortunate to have sponsors there before the official proceeding began, offering students free bags, drink-bottles, etc etc just to sign up with them.  Funnily enough, these sponsors by and large were medical indemnity insurance companies, which is so very ironic.</p>
<p>But to the matter at hand, I would love to introduce this to my colleagues.  I find it very interesting that much of ethical conduct is brushed over, yet forms the fundamental basis of how it is we will be not only with each other, but our patients and all else otherwise.  I am interesting in developing much to offer colleagues in medical school &#8211; from assessing their current state of overwhelm, to learning to connect with how they are feeling through the process of each day &#8211; be it as we learn the sciences and examination techniques, or beyond into the clinical years of hospital rotations and eventual practice.</p>
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		By: Jody Bladin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jody Bladin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2015 23:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What an awesome article you have written here. It exposes what is truly going on in the medical profession. Self care definitely needs to become implemented into all medical schools.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an awesome article you have written here. It exposes what is truly going on in the medical profession. Self care definitely needs to become implemented into all medical schools.</p>
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		By: Gayle Cue		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gayle Cue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2015 04:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some of what Dr Szramka reveals in this article did not surprise me.  After all, burnout seems a natural result of so many years of hard study.  However, other aspects of this article greatly shocked me.  I had no idea there was bullying amongst medical colleagues.  A very insightful article about human behaviour which left me feeling sad.........sad for those in the medical profession and sad for those of us who rely on them.  Clearly we need a change of practice.  Reading this article is only the start.  Self care needs to become a required course for all entering medical school.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of what Dr Szramka reveals in this article did not surprise me.  After all, burnout seems a natural result of so many years of hard study.  However, other aspects of this article greatly shocked me.  I had no idea there was bullying amongst medical colleagues.  A very insightful article about human behaviour which left me feeling sad&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;sad for those in the medical profession and sad for those of us who rely on them.  Clearly we need a change of practice.  Reading this article is only the start.  Self care needs to become a required course for all entering medical school.</p>
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		By: Gayle Cue		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gayle Cue]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2015 04:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.myhealthcareer.com.au/medicine/doctor-burnout-begins-younger-than-we-think-by-dr-maxine-szramka/#comment-297&quot;&gt;Kevin Doyle&lt;/a&gt;.

I like your suggestion, Kevin...........get this article listed as required reading, followed by discussion, for first year medical students.  Then review it as they start their second year of training.  Perhaps a self assessment of how they are doing on a self-care scale of 1 to 10 for the remaining years in medical school.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.myhealthcareer.com.au/medicine/doctor-burnout-begins-younger-than-we-think-by-dr-maxine-szramka/#comment-297">Kevin Doyle</a>.</p>
<p>I like your suggestion, Kevin&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..get this article listed as required reading, followed by discussion, for first year medical students.  Then review it as they start their second year of training.  Perhaps a self assessment of how they are doing on a self-care scale of 1 to 10 for the remaining years in medical school.</p>
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		By: Rebecca		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rebecca]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2015 20:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article was an eye opener to read as I hadn&#039;t fully appreciated what going through the medical system would be like, even though, from everything I had heard about the medical system and training eluded to this burnout and bullying culture.

I think it is he bullying that I hadn&#039;t fully grasped and I can not imagine what it is like to have that amount of sustained pressure for all of those years and beyond.

I encourage anyone who is placed to start deconstructing this system and replace it with humanity - to please do so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article was an eye opener to read as I hadn&#8217;t fully appreciated what going through the medical system would be like, even though, from everything I had heard about the medical system and training eluded to this burnout and bullying culture.</p>
<p>I think it is he bullying that I hadn&#8217;t fully grasped and I can not imagine what it is like to have that amount of sustained pressure for all of those years and beyond.</p>
<p>I encourage anyone who is placed to start deconstructing this system and replace it with humanity &#8211; to please do so.</p>
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